Physics/Consciousness Research Group
Memorandum For The Record
White Paper on Anomalous Cognition and Prospects for World Peace, Part I
May 24, 1996
These papers like Hal Puthoff's "CIA-Initiated Remote Viewing Program at Stanford Research Institute" in the Journal of Scientific Exploration, Vol 10, No 1, pp 63-76 (1996) are formidable challenges for any objective honest skeptics (e.g., Martin Gardner, Vic Stenger, Murray Gell-Mann, Carl Sagan) who claim there is no good evidence for precognition (i.e., accessing information from the future in violation of the, by now sacred, principle of "Einstein Causality" that causes are before their effects absolutely in all frames of reference). Furthermore, this research of Ed May's was supported by the Central Intelligence Agency and the U.S. Department of Defense under much more stringent monitoring than conventional experimental work in high energy physics or even medical research. It must be taken seriously by professional debunkers of parapsychology if they wish to be taken seriously by the public, most of whom already believe in "psychic phenomena". If May's et-al extraordinary claims survive further testing, it means that a great restructuring of theoretical physics from "modern" to "post-modern" is in the offing. The new "anomalous cognition" data presented at the recent "Tucson II" consciousness conference at the University of Arizona is to 21st Century Post-Modern Physics as radioactivity, black body radiation, and the inability to detect motion relative to the aether was for 20th Century Modern Physics.
The bottom line from this hard-nosed experimental study by empirical "hands-on" raw-data oriented Faraday types who hold "high falutin" quantum theories of mind in disdain is that:
"In fact, DAT leads to the idea that there may be only one underlying mechanism of all anomalous mental phenomena, namely a transfer of information from future to past." p. 198This finding can be compared to that of Michelson and Morley toward the close of the 19th century that the motion of the Earth through the "aether" could not be detected. For the record, based on my "high falutin" quantum theory of the mind-matter interaction, I have been arguing for this conclusion for many years before I knew of these papers. Ironically, Ed May admonishes me in his cover letter of May 22, 1996 in the package that included his papers:
"Both James (Spottiswoode) and I believe theories that do not quantitatively describe data are not just wrong, they are bad theories."The key word is "quantitatively". Ed has stated the case too strongly. Any physical theory that can in principle not describe significant data at all is, of course, a bad theory. But the mind-matter problem is a special situation since, until recently, it was widely believed that there was no fundamental theoretical object in modern physics that could possibly be a testable representation of "qualia" (i.e. subjective mental experiences). My theory gives a theoretical candidate for qualia in qualitative agreement with May's experimental finding. The qualia are excitations in the macroscopic coherent quantum Bohm mental "pilot wave" attached to the material vibrations of pumped "Frohlich collective modes" of electric dipoles in the microtubules inside living cells. Ed May, as well as Doctor Mulhauser et-al, has protested that "interactive decoherence" does not permit such long-lived spatially extended coherent quantum states to exist. There are three arguments against that premature conclusion. First, the Vitiello mechanism of an energy gap in the Frohlich modes one hundred times greater than room temperature. Second, the quantum Carnot effect in which the negative temperature of the population-inverted Frohlich mode creates a thermal shield of ordered water in a skin of a few nanometers thickness around the microtubule. Third, the role of error-correction codes for quantum computers which is now under intensive study by several independent research groups of well-trained physicists. But it is not my purpose to defend my theory here, but, rather, to heroically and selflessly, with uncharacteristic humility, defend May's experiments in spite of the fact that he insults me! :)
One can immediately see why the U.S. Defense Intelligence Community is rightly interested in this sort of thing. Aside from the use of psychically sensitive agents to get the edge on the enemy's actions before they themselves are even aware of what they will do, or to use precognition "quantum computing chips" to make money on the swift fluctuations in computer transfers of money in world markets, May et-al write about:
"noisy diodes, radioactive decay, and other random sources... piezoelectric strain gauge(s) ... three-axis accelerometers, calibrated microphones, electromagnetic and nuclear radiation monitors ... air suspension table(s)"This is a time when the USAF and the Naval Air Force are developing virtual reality head gear for fighter pilots directly controlled by their brain waves. Electronic equipment is getting increasingly delicate, and if a deviant brain wave in some undetected psychic could trigger an unauthorized nuclear missile launch, accidentally or by intention, by what May et-al call "anomalous perturbation" (AP) then we had better damn well understand the physics involved! Now I should make clear at this point that May claims that AP does not happen. What does happen is "precognition" hidden under the euphemism "DAT". We will examine this distinction in detail. May's conclusion is therefore very very important because it suggests that "loose cannon" psychics could not accidentally trigger World War III though they could see it coming! However, some of May's former co-workers warn that AP can happen. Indeed, there is no apriori reason why both AP and DAT cannot happen. Finally, let us not forget the "Butterfly Effect" instability of classical chaos theory now amplified by the practically instant information transfers through cyberspace on the Internet.
May et-al distinguish four possible mechanisms for their data.
1. "Mean Chance Expectation" (MCE) for data from an "unperturbed parent distribution with unbiased sampling".
2. "Anomalous Perturbation" (AP) expected in "an interaction of a 'force' type ... from a perturbed parent distribution with unbiased sampling".
3. "Decision Agumentation" (DAT) in which "Nature is unchanged, but the measurements are biased; that is, AC (Anomalous Cognition) has 'distorted' the sampling ... we have measurements from an unperturbed parent distribution with biased sampling."
4 "Combination ... biased sampling from a perturbed parent distribution.
They consider a continuous random variable X with a normal probability distribution of given mean and variance. Suppose n unbiased measures and compute the new variable Y as the simple average over the n measures. They claim that the new random variable Y also has a normal probability distribution with the same mean as X but with a smaller variance than X by a factor 1/n. The quantity z is then defined as
This z is supposed to satisfy a normal probability distribution with zero mean and variance = 1. The normalized equation for this is
So that expectation values of any function f(z) are the integrals from - to + infinity of f(z)p(z)dz.
They do a similar analysis for a discrete Bernoulli probability distribution with a given probability po to "observe a one". A discrete z score after n samples is then defined in analogy to the continuous normal case above etc. The mathematics looks fine to me, but I am no expert. I doubt that the professional psi debunkers will be able to punch holes in their mathematics at this stage.
The DAT model of "precognition" for z requires both a biased shift in the mean away from zero and a biased distortion in the variance away from 1. Similarly, the AP "force" model of "psychokinesis" for z only requires a shift in the mean i.e., "an AP effect size". There is no distortion in the variance in the case of force-like psychokinesis.
Let's discuss this before we go further with their analysis. The AP scenario is active in that some kind of mental force literally reaches out from the observer and perturbs the external objective physical process which could be the decay of a single radio active nucleus, the arrival of a single photon at a particular point on a photographic plate, the tunnelling of an electron through an energy barrier etc. In contrast, the DAT scenario, on the surface, is much more conservative and plausible because it is passive. There is no psychokinetic force on the objective external physical process, rather, there is precognition of information transmitted from that external process. This information need not come in the form of electromagnetic signals. No claim of that kind is made by DAT or AP. They are both top-down "black-box" purely empirical or phenomenological orderings of statistical data with no necessary connection to any bottom-up fundamental physics theory. This is both their strength and their weakness.
My quantum pilot wave theory of anomalous cognition (AC) is consistent with DAT and not with AP. There is a shift in the mean and a distortion in the variance of the quantum probability sampling distribution of the brain substrate of mind away from the orthodox Born MCE distribution by back-action which enables the "precognition" as shown, for example, by Valentini. But this biased sampling shift and distortion is inside the observer and has nothing to do with the external "parent distribution".
I am not claiming that AP is not ever possible. There may be exceptional circumstances in which a thermally protected mental quantum pilot wave of a material brain substrate can become Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen "entangled" with a quantum state of some external physical process in which the effective back action deviation from orthodox quantum mechanics is large. In such a case AP is possible. Therefore, the US Defense-Intelligence Community would make a grave error in not continuing their support of these fringe areas of "the New Physics". All I am saying is that I am satisfied that AP was not happening in the large amounts of data analyzed by May, Spottiswoode et-al. Their results IMHO, though not their manners, are impeccable. But, then again, who am I to complain like "Pot calling Kettle black!" :)
The original papers should be consulted for a large database of details that should be sifted through with a fine tooth comb by the professional psi debunkers. I accept these papers as factual. These papers are qualitatively backed up in independent studies of AC by Professor D. J. Bem , a former psi skeptic and stage magician at the Cornell University Department of Psychology presented as paper 432 at Tucson II, "The ganzfeld: a procedure for obtaining replicable evidence for an anomalous process of information transfer".
Thus, to summarize where we are so far: Skeptics like Cal Tech's Nobel Physics Laureate, Murray Gell-Mann call all claims of AP or DAT "pseudoscience" and any attempt to use quantum mechanics as a theory is "The Story Distorted" (e.g., Ch. 12, The Quark and the Jaguar). Opposing Gell-Mann is another Nobel Physics Laureate, Brian Josephson,of England's venerable Cambridge University, who says that paraphysical phenomena are statistically well-established scientific facts. The small paraphysics community is now split between DAT and AP, as well as whether quantum mechanics is essential or irrelevant to the "anomalous cognition" phenomena. That's the way it is this day of May 24, 1996.
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 19:29:23 +0100 (BST)
From: Fotini Pallikari-Viras
Reply-To: owner-jcs-online@lists.zynet.co.uk
To: jcs-online@psyche.zynet.co.uk
In relation to the letter by Jean Burns with regard to the Decision
Augmantation Theory, I have these comments to make:
It is my opinion that the DAT analysis cannot reject the influence model
of psi, as it claims to do. Its interpretation of the mathematical
analysis result is not correct! This is because the type of dependence of
effect size on the number of events generated, is dangerously disregarded.
I base my opinion on (a) experimental evidence, part of which comes from
my own tests, and (b) a mathematical analysis that I'm currently
doing on my RNG data to determine whether (or not) the data are influenced
and the extend and type of influence.
I intend to present this work and offer it for discussion at the European
SSE conference this October, to which I've already sent an abstract.
In relation to my argument above I put the following questions to you ALL:
Q1. If the z^2 vs n graph of the DAT analysis is a horizontal line
for the intention data, what will the same graph be for the no intention
data? Horizontal or slanted?
Q2. If it is slanted, wouldn't that suggest the presence of
influence in the whole of intention-no intention data (parent
distribution)?
Q3. If it is horizontal, wouldn't that imply, according to the
DAT interpretation, the lack of influence and the presence of selection,
precognition and good timing with regard to the data under *no
intention* ?
Q4. More specifically: If the no intention (control) data restore
the intention data distribution to the calibration Gaussian, according to
the reported evidence, by what action of precognition/selection has this
taken place in the total absence of intention???
My position is, according to the Balancing Effect Theory (BET), that the
parent distribution only 'looks' unperturbed. The psi property of
consciousness *influences* the probability space of random events by some
(yet unknown) mechanism, while a natural-physical phenomenon of
self-balancing, self-adjusting, self-cleansing (if you like) counter
mechanism relaxes probability tensions (when they reach a certain
threshold) and brings the isolated system back to its unperturbed state,
before it gets deformed again by psi. The two mechanisms could be isolated
and studied separately under certain testing conditions. Otherwise, they
will mix and yield not only low effect sizes, but also such as to appear
independent of the number of events generated, n.
By the way, if you have RNG data available (intention and no intention)
I'd like to run a test on them to determine the presence or not of
influence as I have done on my data, and I'll let you know the result.
You can send the random numbers by email (I guess).
Fotini Pallikari-Viras
Physics Department
Athens University
In a message dated 96-04-25 10:24:57 EDT, may@lfr.org (Edwin C. May) writes:
When you put math behind this simple idea, you find that the popularly assumed mechanisms for Random Number Generator data are simply wrong. That is mind does NOT reach into the devices and "force" bits to be different from what they would otherwise be.
I do not intend to downgrade top-down phenomenology which is a necessary step
in the sequence. My point is not to forget, which I sense Ed May may have
forgotten, that it is not sufficient. Like those magnificent engineers from France and England building the great tunnel under the Channel, we are coming from two different levels to meet in the "middle" opening up that "underground stream" that our Alchemical ancestors sought.
The post-modern quantum physicists are simply trying to get a qualitative bottom-up understanding of how qualia fit into the fundamental scheme of things. Occam's razor, and just the weird intuitions or "hunches" of some of us (itself a form of precognition), suggests that the buck stops when brain matter, together with its electromagnetic fields, imprints its change in configuration (due to external sensory input) on its attached mental quantum pilot wave. The pilot wave, not to be confused with an electromagnetic wave, is intrinsically sentient (a postulate) in the sense described by David Chalmers. The Bohm pilot wave corresponds to the term "elemental mind" coined by Nick Herbert, and to "mind-stuff" coined by the late great Sir James Jeans. Note, the pilot wave need not be pure, in fact, as shown by Nanopoulos it is "mixed" described by a "density matrix" that I rename as "destiny matrix". My model is compatible with, though not identical to, the Eccles theory. The imprinting process is really new physics, in Penrose's sense, beyond orthodox quantum mechanics. Stapp would agree that the sort of anomalous stuff reported by you guys does require this extra "back-action" of matter-particle (also electromagnetic field) on its mental-quantum pilot wave, but that ordinary consciousness does not require it. I think Stapp is wrong there. Stapp's theory, based on Bohr's, has no natural distinction between inert rocks and living cells. Zero vs non-zero back-action provides the distinction. All forms of matter with non-zero back-action are capable of qualia in my theory. This includes artificially engineered nanodevices that we will manufacture in the near future. The back-action shows how both ordinary qualia and anomalous remote-viewing, PK etc are unified into one mechanism, and it also shows why "rocks" don't have qualia etc. The back-action in rocks is zero. My theory predicts that non-zero back-action is required for all life. It is necessary, but not sufficient, for any sort of mind and qualia to emerge in open complex self-organizing adaptive systems held far from thermal equilibrium.
Spottiswoode continued:
David Chalmers has said that the back-action model is testable. The back-action
term is implemented quantitatively in Nanopoulos's quantum friction from the superstring states via the quantum gravity foam. This is one way to test it. It also has the virtue that it has the same form as the top-down "self-organizing" term in Prigogine's phenomenology - so a very pretty picture is now emerging by synthesizing ideas from several different theories - which happens to be my great talent. :-)
Spottiswoode:
Spottiswoode explains:
Oh! That's right. I forgot you told me this at breakfast in Tucson. OK! OK! now I see what's happening. I sure hope your data is correct because it actually does fit my back-action ideas much better than a direct PK would. You see an elemental form of "precognitive remote viewing" is at the core of my theory. Now you got me really excited. Look! here is the point. When you have back-action you violate the Born probability rule of orthodox quantum theory. I am not sure if Nanopoulos has this part- he seems to want to keep the "unitary" Born rule which would be wrong. His quantum friction extra term in the evolution equation for the destiny matrix means a violation of probability conservation for open systems which gets larger as the number of particles N in the system increases. Closed systems are not able to display the creative novelty which is the prime property of mind. As emphasized by Brian Josephson who cites Valentini (see my z.html for excerpts from Valentini), violation of the Born rule means a non-thermal distribution of the nonlocal hidden variables (e.g., the Nanopoulos "W2 string states"). This then implies that nonlocal quantum EPR correlations can be used as a precognitive remote viewing communication channel. We have leap-frogged over Eberhard's "no FTL signal" theorem which requires the Born probability rule. That is, one can now use the Bohr-Wheeler "delayed choice" to actually send a locally decodable message back in time without having to wait to correlate local data from both future sender and past receiver. You cannot do this in orthodox quantum mechanics because the random noise from the Heisenberg uncertainty principle hides the coherent precognitive message with no possibility of filtering. This is easily explained, in Bohm's pilot wave theory, as the lack of a feed-back control loop between the atoms and EM fields of the living brain and their attached "mental" pilot wave. The pilot wave is the fundamentally sentient field that has "qualia" the same way that electrons have "charge", "mass" and "spin" to use Chalmer's way of thinking. The situation here is that of Newton's "hypothesis non fingo". Like gravity, no scientific theory can ever tell what qualia is, only how it relates to other phenomena.
Returning to the aforementioned idea of sending messages back in time via a "filter" for Wheeler's delayed choice experiment. Such a filter would be a successful Maxwell Demon which would violate the classical limit of the second law of thermodynamics as shown by Asher Peres. However, the second law of thermodynamics in the quantum domain leads to classically counter-intuitive results like a Carnot engine with greater than 100% efficiency when operating between a "hot" negative quantum temperature and a "cold" positive temperature. That is, the efficiency (1 - Tcold/Thot) is greater than 1 because Tcold/Thot is negative. This means that the pumped population inversion, which corresponds to the negative Thot, is a quantum trigger that forces the positive temperature thermal fluctuations to cohere making it able to perform useful work. This is what probably happens in the pumped Frohlich electric dipole modes in microtubules. It may explain why macro-quantum coherence is possible in the brain. The prediction here is that the thermal perturbations are damped out, i.e. cohered, in nanoscale regions of the "ordered water". This may explain why there is "ordered water"!
"Dangerous Dan" Dennett is all wrong about the logical necessity of infinite regress and "no second transduction" - the buck stops as soon as sensory data is imprinted on the pilot wave by back-action or quantum friction etc which means there is a two-way feedback control loop between brain and mind. Qualia are simply the changes in the pilot wave in Hilbert space imprinted by isomorphic changes in the brain-configuration embedded in the spacetime geometry. This is all in the math of fiber bundles. Libet's data can be understood this way as can precognitive remote viewing (PRV) data. So, if you are reducing RNG psychokinesis to PRV precognition, well that's fine and dandy from my point of view.
In any case Ed May should not claim to have a "classical" theory because you need an extension of quantum theory to explain any kind of PRV which is in strong violation of the retarded causality axiom of physics today.
Spottiswoode continues:
Spottiswoode (my Eddington :-)) concludes:
Ed May remarked:
This demonstrates that Ed has not bothered to read the papers presented at
this conference on the above point. Stu Hameroff should say something on
this.
And Ed May replied:
May again:
Hameroff says something about "ordered water" shielding the coherent
state from thermal perturbations. I agree he does not give enough details for a proper evaluation. Vitiello should work on this part of the problem. Claims are also made that there is an energy gap in the Frohlich mode that is 100 times larger than kT = 1/40 ev. This would be an effective shield. Remember, in my theory, the mind is the Bohm quantum pilot wave attached to the spacetime pattern of the, for example, collective Frohlich electric dipole mode in the microtubules. Vitiello has the detailed math on this in which the Frohlich mode is the Goldstone mode from spontaneous breakdown of the rotational symmetry of the dimers. The normally gapless Goldstone mode acquires a gap from the waveguide cutoff finite boundaries and possibly from a Higgs mechanism from the self-focussed electromagnetic "vortex" filaments inside the microtubules. The vector massless photons with two polarization state presumably mix with the scalar massless Frohlich dipole modes with one polarization state to make massive self-trapped photons with three polarization states.
However, I have also come up with a new thermal shield idea above which I repeat here for emphasis since it appears to be crucial to Hameroff's thesis and it is a totally new idea. The second law in the quantum domain leads to classically counter-intuitive results like a Carnot engine with greater than 100% efficiency when operating between a "hot" negative quantum temperature and a "cold" positive temperature. That is, the efficiency (1 - Tcold/Thot) is greater than 1 because Tcold/Thot is negative. This means that the pumped population inversion, which corresponds to the negative Thot, is a quantum trigger that forces the positive temperature thermal fluctuations to cohere making it able to perform useful work. This is what probably happens in the pumped Frohlich electric dipole modes in microtubules. It may explain why macro-quantum coherence is possible in the brain. The prediction here is that the thermal perturbations are damped out, i.e. cohered, in nanoscale regions of the "ordered water". This may explain why there is "ordered water"!
Ed May continues:
Furthermore, quantum states of different particles (or systems) A and B can never be "coherent" but they can be "entangled". "Coherence" is only possible for different states of the same isolated quantum system. That is,
Assuming, for simplicity, 2-D Hilbert spaces for each system. One possible "entangled" or EPR "correlated" pair state is
Both Stapp and I agree that any form of precognition violates orthodox quantum theory. My back-action theory extends quantum theory and is "really new physics" that may be the correct way to reformulate Penrose's "orchestrated objective reduction". The "orchestration" is from the feed-back control loop between the thermally protected mental quantum pilot wave in Hilbert space beyond spacetime, and its specfically attached matter-EM field collective modes inside of spacetime. My way of thinking here is much more visualizable than Stapp's or Penrose's ways. I have the "Feynman diagram" of the post-modern physics of the mind-matter interaction.
Ed May continues:
Subj: Re: 21C Questions
Date: 96-04-26 08:50:37 EDT
From: may@lfr.org (Edwin C. May)
Reply-to: may@lfr.org
To: dreamscape@peg.apc.org
CC: JSARFATTI@aol.com, james@jsasoc.com, Puthoff@aol.com,
srh@ccit.arizona.edu
Writer, Alex Burns, dreamscape@peg.apc.org wrote:
Edwin C. May, Ph.D.
The Laboratories for Fundamental Research
415.327.2007 Voice
415.322.7960 Fax
http://www.jsasoc.com/~csl/index.html
may@lfr.org May 12th, 1996 Dr. Edwin C. May is an active psi researcher and is currently the director of the Cognitive Sciences Laboratory,
based in Palo Alto, California.
Date: 96-04-25 10:24:57 EDT
From: may@lfr.org (Edwin C. May)
Reply-to: may@lfr.org
To: JSARFATTI@aol.com
CC: dreamscape@peg.apc.org, srh@ccit.arizona.edu, james@jsasoc.com (James
Spottiswoode)
In a message dated 96-04-24 04:16:54 EDT, you write:
May responds:
When you put math behind this simple idea, you find that the popularly
assumed
mechanisms for RNG data is simply wrong. That is mind does NOT reach into
the devices and "force" bits to be different from what they would otherwise
be.
To my understanding, DAT is the only model that have been so successfully
tested
with data.
What Jack sees as "redneck disdain for basic theories" is a redneck zest for
testable models, for data and a redneck disdain for hand waving.
I have always thought that the QM "theories"
do not answer the basic question how a skwishy 1 Kg bag of mostly water
(brain)
at 300 degrees K has any measureable QM-wave properties. The extensive
literature on the QM/classical interface show that QM coherence disipates
for even a few (10^5) atoms at approximately 50 millidegrees K except for
special situations such as superconduction.
QM may be necessary to understand the brain, but the ball is in the court
of the claiments to show how thermal effects do not destroy QM coherence and
thus macroscopic state selection.
Thus endeth my comments on theory.
Ed May's Comments with regard to precognition:
Since I was the director of the contractor effort in the government's
activity
in psi research since 1985, I have some understanding of what they did. At
SAIC
we did not conduct a single precognition experiment. In fact, except for two
studies, one of which Puthoff and Targ published in their IEEE article, we
have
not been studying precognition since 1972.
Ed May responded:
From 1972 to 1985 it resided at SRI International under the direction of
Puthoff. From 1986 to date, I have program responsibility. In 1991, the
program moved from SRI to SAIC.
Ray Hyman believes that there were few "acutal results" from the SRI program.
He basis that belief, in part, because he believes he had a chance to examine
all the SRI data. As I point out in my JSE article, he saw almost none of
the
data. During the SRI era, there were substantial positive results. Utts has
evaluated the whole database and discussed it in depth in her JSE article.
Check it out.
Date:
Sun, 19 May 1996 09:49:50 -0700
From:
Jack Sarfatti
To:
james@jsaoc.com, may@lfr.org, rdnelson@princeton.edu, psischmidt@aol.com, Puthoff@aol.com
CC:
dradin@nevada.edu, rhett@teleport.com, mschlitz@well.com, physics@intuition.org,
vjs@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu, bdj10@cam.ac.uk, M.R.Watkins@ukc.ac.uk, mgm@santafe.edu,
STAPP@theorm.lbl.gov, quantum@cruzio.com
How do you conclude precognition and not pk from your
observation that we sense spatial gradient of Shannon entropy in a
"locally deviant subsequence of binary bits"? I mean what is your
theoretical argument here? Please spell this out in detail so I can
argue this point with Vic Stenger, a professor of physics at University
of Hawaii and with Murray Gell-Mann both of whom are totally skeptical
of such claims. They would both, of course, say that neither pk or
precognition are possible within known laws of physics.
Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 12:07:51 -0800
From: "Edwin C. May"
Reply-To: may@lfr.org
Organization: Laboratories for Fundamental Research
To: Jack Sarfatti
CC: James Spottiswoode
Subject: Re: Key Issue of DAT
The argument goes like this: If grad(S) is what humans "sense" with
anomalous cognition, than because grad(S) is independent of sequence
length of a locally deviant subsequence we would expect that the
RNG statistic would be independent of the sequence length. It is.
You might check our current DAT articles in the current issue of
the Jounal of Parapsychology.
Ed
Ed May responded May 20, 1996
Jack, PLEASE read the original article. Of course we do. If mind is
pushing on each bit, then Z ~ sqrt(sequence length). The data show this is not true!
I'll state the case again: RV ~ grad(S). grad(S) for excess hits in RNG sequences
is independent of the sequence length. Thus if RV is responsible for the RNG
data then one would predict an independence of the sequence length of Z. That
is exactly what the data show since 1969!
Any clearer?
Ed
1. You have made the empirical correlation that successful precognitive remote viewing (PRV) data is independent of sequence length.
2. You see the same kind of independence in so-called psycho-kinetic (PK) data.
3. Therefore, you conclude that both PRV and PK phenomena are the same process.
So far, so good. I can accept that analysis. What is still not so clear is why the traditional notion of PK in which in your own words
Now this logical analysis is independent of any particular like the gradient of the spatial entropy. I am
not sure how you operationally determine that. It is some sort of rule from comparing adjacent bits in the sequence. But that is a relatively minor matter that I am sure I can get from your paper.
Here is something exciting. Someone in Tucson claimed a similar independence of bit sequence length in
ordinary cognition. My Bohm-type quantum mind theory demands that ordinary cognition, memory and PRV all be the
same physical mechanism. Stapp's Bohr-type quantum mind theory seems to say just the opposite. In any case, in order to have PRV the quantum mind must be locally decoding messages from a future state of itself. This is not to be confused with the bit sequences on the tapes or piece of paper or however you irreversibly make records of your objective bit sequences. I am talking about subjective local decoding or halting of the quantum computation in the field of qualia of the quantum pilot-wave attached to the Frohlich modes. Such local decoding violates Eberhard's theorem of orthodox quantum mechanics with zero back-action. So we have here a new law of physics.
In a message dated 96-04-25 14:21:56 EDT, james@jsasoc.com (James Spottiswoode) writes:
According to JSARFATTI@aol.com :Utts, Spottiswoode, and I have just published a classical theory that we have been working on for over 15 years. Called decision augmentation theory, it holds that by psi information channels, people are able to systematically bias decisions toward favorable outcomes.
Spottiswoode comments:While the theory is "merely" phenomenological,
like Ohm's Law, etc
to which I (Jack Sarfatti) respondedit has two minor advantages over many other efforts in
this area: it is testable and has been successfully tested.
To which I commented:Aside from these trivia, it has many other problems, from your point of view: it has nothing to do with QM and it eliminates, that is reduces, a whole class of psi phenomena.
Please explain - reduces it to what? To nothing? Are you agreeing with
Gell-Mann in The Quark and the Jaguar "The Story Distorted"?What we have shown, in essence, is that the results of the hundreds of experiments which have shown that operators can apparently influence the output of random devices, such as random number generators (RNG's) cannot be explained on any influence model which describes the effect of the operator as a biasing of the bit probability. The data just do not fit this at all, since a biasing of the bit probability leads to Z-scores statistics which cummulate as the square root of the number of bits sampled. In the experiments, on the other hand, it is found that the Z score is independent of the number of bits sampled. We show an 8 sigma disagreement with all bit biasing models (except for one degenerate case). What emerges is a clear argument that these experiments can be explained by opportunistic sampling on the part of the operators which is probably mediated by a form of precognition, for which we have ample independent laboratory evidence.
At this point "Shazam!", the lightning bolt from Zeus hits me right in me third eye! I am Archimedes rushing naked from his bath into The Forum shouting "Eureka!". It is the Great Aha!Thus it appears that all the models which implicate consciousness in the biasing of outcomes via a role in state vector collapse are incompatible with the observed deviations from chance in the RNG experiments.
Well this shoots down Stapp, but it does not shoot down Penrose or me or Aharonov's multiple-time quantum states with quantum time machines. Aharonov's theory shows that such a machine can with very low probability transport data back to before the machine came into being. This is totally different from time travel using wormholes. It would explain why we can't precognize as well as we can remember. This is consistent with Nanopoulos's claim that his quantum friction (i.e. my back-action) provides a micro-arrow of time the way Prigogine said it should.Instead these experiments provide further evidence for a small information flow about future events acting as part of the decision making process in the subjects. To return to my initial point, this theory is certainly driven by the data available but it does accomplish a major simplification: there may be only one thing to explain, namely precognition.
Great! Wake up and smell the coffee. I have just explained your data in terms of an extension of the fundamental laws of quantum physics. Either your experiments of the past "fifteen years" are simply dead wrong in some way you have yet to understand, or, your data is scientific evidence for a new law of nature, i.e., the direct back-action of particles and gauge fields on their quantum pilot waves. The laws of physics today strictly forbid the existence of precognition as a matter of principle. Gell-Mann is right to call our stuff "The Story Distorted" if there is no evidence and no rational conceptualization within the laws. A phenomenological DAT model does not cut the mustard at this level in which extraordinary claims, that dramatically alter our idea of physical reality, are made. Most scientists would say it is more likely that you are in error, or, worse yet, are part of a CIA/military disinformation operation etc. My back-action idea provides the qualitative mechanism on how a simple extension of quantum mechanics today can, in principle, explain your data in particular and the place of qualia in the universe in general in a unified way. There is no middle ground. That is why I called you "my Eddington". You should be elated! The Sword is pulled from The Stone. Merlin is here. It is alleged that Merlin came from the future. I am Arthur to Wheeler's Merlin. How about Ed May as Little John to my Robin Hood? -- Murray Gell-Mann as the Sheriff of Nottingham? But wait how do we cast Dan Dennett? King John? David Bohm as King Richard? :-)I have always thought that the QM "theories" do not answer the basic question how a squishy 1 Kg bag of mostly water (brain) at 300 degrees K has any measurable QM-wave properties. The extensive literature on the QM/classical interface show that QM coherence dissipates for even a few (10^5) atoms at approximately 50 millidegrees K except for special situations such as superconduction.
To which I responded:Of course I have read the papers and listened to the statements that large protein molecules are in quantum superposed states. Saying it is true is vastly different from showing it to be true.
I can't argue with that.That is, why the walls of the tubules are thought to be candidates for macro-quantum systems, given that they are at 300 K. In addition, it seem to me that proposing QM gravity at this stage without any experimental evidence for or against the concept seems premature to offer it as anything to do with consciousness. They have NOT shown experimentally or as far as I have seen even proposed theoretically where or how the thermal shielding could prevent the distruction of the QM coherence.

From my discussions with Hameroff and others, there seems to be an additional confusion between optical coherence and quantum coherence. While they both describe a property of waves, they are fundamentally different. One atom in a very long laser can de-excite and send a photon off which collides with a second atom and stimulates it to decay in optical phase. The QM wave functions of these two atoms are not coherent.
Yes, remember I said above not to confuse the mental quantum pilot wave with the material electromagnetic wave. Many speakers at Tucson II made this confusion. There are three things in Bohm's ontology: 1. classical particles, 2. classical gauge fields like the Maxwell EM field, and 3. the quantum pilot wave attached to both 1 and 2! Bohr's version of quantum theory makes people confused because it throws away 1 and 2. It throws out the baby with the bath water leaving a purely idealistic epistemological model of quantum reality. This is the main thing Einstein found unacceptable and Einstein was right on this. |A) + |B)
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I am happy to have it turn out that QM is happening,
Indeed, unless you can show a classical advanced electromagnetic wave effect, which seems most improbable, the precognition you claim has to be some sort of controllable nonlocal quantum effect in strong violation of orthodox quantum theory (e.g. Eberhard's theorem). Therefore, if there is no nonlocal effect, your experimental claims must be somehow wrong because they violate all known laws of physics today. You can't have it both ways. You had better damn well hope I am on the right track. To quote Ben Franklin, "Either we all hang together, or we all hang separately."but Penrose, for example, stopped his talk just where he should have started it.
Yes, the big bad thing about Tucson II was that it was too much info done superficially. It needs to be followed up with intensive workshops between us all without the flaky New Age public taking up time with ill-framed vagueries. We can do a Dog and Pony show for them later on. Tucson II was too much of a Carnival. It was a good first step, but we must follow it up with serious teamwork. I can offer Henry Dakin's 3220 Sacramento Street building in San Francisco as a good place to hold week-long workshops. We do have video-conferencing with our own satellite dish and also a T1 line and a large touch-screen computer projection system in a room that can hold 50 comfortably. Keith Bruckner used to do this at UCSD and it was very effective. I suggest that Noetics Institute and Fetzer put some money into this. My non-profit corporation has enough money to pay for the rental of the facilities, and to provide refreshments, but not enough to pay for travel and hotel expenses of some of the researchers.Whoa! This has got way out of hand! This is a case of a badly worded question that I wrote late at night, needing a fix of caffeine. I made a mistake - I confused _SAI_ with the experiments undertaken at Stanford, that as I understand it, yielded few *actual results*. That was the 'problem' I was thinking of, as well as generally this field of research's links to socio-political factors/funding etc. I am unaware of any 'problems' with Mr. Ed May's important research, and I agree with Sarfatti that such research is vital, although the actual use of such non lethal technologies is of concern.
To which Ed May replied:I assume that you are thinking about the 24-year government-funded psi program. If so, then some of the confusion can be cleared up if you look at the current issue of the Journal of Scientific Exploration, Vol. 10, No. 1. In there you will find discussions from the major players in this program. From 1972 to 1985 it resided at SRI International under the direction of
Puthoff. From 1986 to date, I have program responsibility. In 1991, the
program moved from SRI to SAIC. Ray Hyman believes that there were few "actual results" from the SRI program. He bases that belief, in part, because he believes he had a chance to examine all the SRI data. As I point out in my JSE article, he saw almost none of the data. During the SRI era, there were substantial positive results. Utts has evaluated the whole database and discussed it in depth in her JSE article. Check it out.
Interview with Dr. Edwin C. May of the Cognitive Sciences Laboratory
May: I did not know anything about psi during my physics education and post doc. Having
become uninterested in experimental, low-energy nuclear physics, I was intellectually
drifting about looking for something interesting.
I ran into Chuck Honorton and some other smart parapsychologists and became mildly
interested. Along the way, I had some experience in physiology and EEG and decided
to return to India to search for evidence of anything out of the ordinary. After
9-months there and with many great contacts I failed at that mission. When I
returned to the US I worked with Honorton at Maimonides Medical Center and saw
more psi than I had ever seen in India.
In 1976 I joined the staff that was conducting psi research at SRI International and became it's
project director in 1985. In 1991, I shifted the project to another
defense contractor, Science Applications International Corporation.
Through the years, I have presided over 70% of the projects's $20M funding
and been responsible for over 85% of the data collected under US
Government contracts.
In 1996 we moved the Cognitive Sciences Laboratory from SAIC to the
Laboratories for Fundamental Research (LFR).
RPKP: How did the secret US government work come about? Which agency
was it,
what were they interested in particularly, and what type of research was
carried out?
May: The CIA started the government's secret work at SRI in 1972. Overall they put a total
of approximately $250,000 during the 24-year, $20,000,000+ program. So the CIA were
not major players. It is possible to see what has been declassified and some
details of the Cognitive Sciences Laboratory at http://www.jsasoc.com/~csl/index.html.
RPKP: Why did all this become public last year? What has been the status
of LFR since?
May: All this became public because US Congress directed it to be so. LFR is a formal California Corporation that, among other things, will be conducting
psi research. We are seeking funding and have a number of proposals pending.
RPKP: What were the basic conclusions of this work?
May: ESP, or what we now call anomalous cognition, meets every scientific criteria to
assure that it exists. Our view is that it is mediated through some sensory
system that we guess will be very similar to the five that we currently know about.
We have developed a model that, for the first time, incontrovertably rejects a particular
mechanism for a class of psi experiments called Random Number Generators. The model
is called Decision Augmentation Theory which holds that since ESP is real, that it would
be very unlikely that we would not integrate that additional, albeit weak and unreliable,
into the normal decision processes. When we formulate that idea and apply it to
the vast RNG database, it shows our model to be correct.
Lastly, we have, for the first time, identified a physical variable that correlates with
the quality of the ESP. That is the more of this "stuff" in the target, the better will
be the anomalous cognition of it.
RPKP: How did Decision Augmentation Theory come about, and who else
was involved in its development?
May: DAT resulted from a carefully conducted RNG study we did for the Army in 1979. We spent
over $250,000 on that single experiment so that if we saw an effect we would be
certain from an engineering point of view to learn how it happened. Well we
did see an effect and could prove that the hardware was not changed. The only thing
left was that subjects were being statistical opportunists to capture deviant
subsequences from otherwise unperturbed sequences. Beverly Humphrey and
Jessica
Utts are my colleagues from the beginning. James Spottiswoode joined much later but
has also contributed.
RPKP: Could you elaborate on the basic hypothesis of DAT?
May: An RNG experiment is like an electronic coin flipper. Imagine
that someone flipped a fair coin 10,000 times and wrote on a very long piece
of paper the results. Might look something like this: htthhthttthhththhhhh....
Suppose I gave you a red pen and asked to walk along this long piece of paper
and mark a spot where the next 10 coin flips had far too many heads in a row.
You would have no problem making such a "decision." In the DAT model, subjects
use psi to make a similar decision.
RPKP: How did you go about gathering evidence for the theory?
May: We looked at the substantial database on RNG experiments dating back to 1969.
RPKP: What's been published thus far?
May: On DAT, the current issue of the Journal of Parapsychology has two major articles.
The first is a definition paper on the model and the second is the application of
the model to many data sets. Both are rather technical. Similarly there is
a technical article in the
Journal for Scientific Exploration.
RPKP: What kind of reactions have you received?
Most everyone now accepts the model in that RNG's do not function because mind
reaches in to "force" binary bits to be different from what they would otherwise be.
Dean Radin of the
Consciousness Research
Laboratory believes he can build a thought
switch. If DAT is correct, and most think that it is, Dean can't.
RPKP You've stated before that you don't think quantum mechanics can
be used to explain PK.
I assume then that you don't agree with the suggestion of Schmidt,
et. al.that, say,
unobserved binary data on a disk or tape could exist in a superimposed or
indeterminate state.
May: That is simply bad physics. Large things like transistors at room temp are not
in the QM superimposed state. They are in some unknown eigenstate whose distribution
is the classical one. There is an extensive QM literature on exactly this point.
In fact the QM world is even worse. What Mendel has shown at University of Rochester
is that if a QM system could be measured, but it still has not been, that that circumstance,
alone, is enough to force the system into an eigenstate. Sorry...Schmidt is
simply incorrect on this point.
RPKP: DAT has serious implications for our project, as we're particularly
interested in retroPK and the seeming violations of causality associated
with it. The basic
experiment design we're in the midst of setting up involves a hierarchy
of "levels". Level 0 is a "practice" level, availiable to all via WWW, and
via which we recruit talented subjects into the higher levels for "formal"
experiments. For practical reasons, we'd planned to use quasirandom data
(seeded by the time at which the subject presses a key to start a "run")
on Level 0, and genuinely prerecorded, unobserved true-random data for
the higher levels.
May: You may know there is not one piece of evidence that suggests that pseudo RNG's
do anything different that what their instructions tell them to do. In fact,
in the RNG literature there are some very good experiments (Radin) to show
that the bits do not change under "PK attack."
RPKP: If correct, DAT suggests that certain individuals
will be able to succeed on Level 0, by "augmenting the decision" regarding
the moment at which the key is pressed. But at higher levels, surely there
is no decision for them to augment.
May: Sure there is. You say that the formal levels use true RNG's. So when does a
subject sign onto the WEB? Who and when are these decisions made?
RPKP: But if the times at which people subscribe have no bearing on
the generation times of the data, then the decision would be mine, when I press the
ENTER key to run the RNG software, perhaps weeks before the experiment...
So it would seem that individual subjects shouldn't be able to carry over
any ability from Level 0 to Level 1, and any success at Level 1 would be
due to my own "decision augmentation". Would you comment on this?
May: It might be possible to design a pseudo random generator and protocol such that
no psi would happend. We are looking into it, but it is not a simple task.
In the Journal of Parapsychology theory paper, because we discuss the number of decisions argument
in detail.
RPKP: In the quasi-random scenario, where the subject can augment a decision,
s/he is presumably attempting to "tune in" to some "inner fluctuation"
which correlates with the success of the experiment which would result
from a keypress at the moment in question. "What" do you believe the
subject is tuning into? You've mentioned that you think humans might
be doing this all the time, that the ability occured through evolution.
Would you care to speculate on what the mechanism might be, and how far
reaching its (subconcious) application could be in everyday life?
May: Simple precognition... :-)
RPKP: Why do you think the parapsychology community, with all its talented
researchers, advanced technology, etc. has never been able to reliably
demonstrate the existence of psi to the "mainstream" science community?
May: For those that look, we have no problem. The problem we have is poor marketing
by most of our research colleagues.
RPKP: Obviously skeptics would argue that the lack of reliable,
high-profile demonstrations of psi was
evidence for its nonexistence, but you've seen it with your own
eyes.
May: I have successfully "sold" the research to two separate defense contractors,
the government which includes members and staff of Congress, agency officials,
and government scientists and more scientific oversight committees than you would
like to know.
Mostly, it is how the data are presented. They can speak for themselves, but because
most people have an incorrect view of what the claims are, low-key and scientifically
honest presentations have always carried the day for me.
RPKP: What do you believe is the future of PK research? Do you believe such
a "reliable demonstration" will ever be possible?
May: With a slight hesitation with regard to bio-PK, I don't think it exists. There is
a general problem with the definitions we have for psi. PK is what happens when
nothing else should. Boy...it is very expensive and requires considerable knowledge
to assure that nothing else did happen. Most psi researchers, while well-meaning, do
not have the financial resources nor the technical expertise to do either.
RPKP: Thanks for your time.
May: Thanks for giving me the opportunity to present my and our ideas. We have an
excellent team who feel as passionately as I do about the above.
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Subj: Re: 21C QuestionsWas interested in your comments regarding non-lethal warfare and the
neuro/cognitive science papers presented at the Conference. Is it your
impression that Washington's interest in the use of such technologies has
been increasing in recent years, despite the problems with SAI research
into precognitive remote viewing? What effects is this having on the
physics-consciousness research community (e.g. the 'Hemlock of financial
grants' you refer to)? (21C)
Ask Willis Harman at Noetics. Ask Lt Col John Alexander.
I think there is still great interest. The Tucson conference proves it.
Most of the funding can be traced to spooks. If I were head of CIA or DIA I
would
put a few billion dollars into consciousness research. Who knows perhaps
I will be in some future Administration! :-) (Sarfatti)I have my money mit at the ready! :-) (Ed May)
What problems with SAI??? Although I do not like Ed May's anti-quantum theory bias
I think the experimental work he is doing is important. (Sarfatti)First, please let me set the record straight. Jack has a bit of imagnination
going with regard to the colorful description of my lack of interest in
theory.
Utts, Spottiswoode, and I have just published a classical theory that we have
been working on for over 15 years. Called decision augmentation theory, it
holds that by psi information channels, people are able to systematically
bias decisions toward favorable outcomes.
Ed May repeats same argument as Professor Mulhauser made in a well-written, but wrong, recent Psyche article (on WEB) that quantum mind is dead, still-born, aborted, because of "interactive decoherence". My quantum Carnot heat engine thought experiment solves that problem for the pumped negative effective temperature Frohlich modes of the microtubules. The experimental evidence for this is the thin "ordered water" layer of a few nanometeres thickness protecting these modes reported by Hameroff. That is, the second law of thermodynamics in the quantum limit provides a universal way for life to protect its macroquantum coherence from premature collapse by water at 300 degrees.The company that conducted anomalous cognition research for DIA was Science
Applications International Corporation (SAIC) no-longer SAI.
I find May's remark here puzzling since his research director,
Spottiswoode explains:What we have shown, in essence, is that the results of the hundreds of experiments which have shown that operators can apparently influence the output of random devices, such as random number generators (RNG's) cannot be explained on any influence model which describes the effect of the operator as a biasing of the bit probability. The data just do not fit this at all, since a biasing of the bit probability leads to Z-scores statistics which cummulate as the square root of the number of bits sampled. In the experiments, on the other hand, it is found that the Z score is independent of the number of bits sampled. We show an 8 sigma disagreement with all bit biasing models (except for one degenerate case). What emerges is a clear argument that these experiments can be explained by opportunistic sampling on the part of the operators which is probably mediated by a form of precognition, for which we have ample independent laboratory evidence.
I am unaware of any 'problems' with Mr. Ed May's important research, and
I agree with Sarfatti that such research is vital, although the actual
use of such non lethal technologies is of concern. (21C)I assume that you are thinking about the 24-year government-funded psi
program.
If so, then some of the confusion can be cleared up if you look at the
current issue of the Journal of Scientific Exploration, Vol. 10, No. 1.
In there you will find discussions from the major players in this program.
Subject:
Key Issue of DAT The grad(S) is what it is, a simple bit-wise calculation.
We noticed a strong (rho=~0.45) linear correlation between this and
the quality of the anomalous cognition. Rho=.45 is not a good physics
correlation but it is fantastic for a psi experiment. The correlation
vanishes for S, and we take this as suggestive of a sensory system.
This is from the AC side of the research.
Yes, but neither you or Jim show clearly how independence from
sequence length connects to "precognition" while dependence
connects to "pk" in which the mind reaches in so to speak. That
is the core of what I am trying to understand. Do you explain this
key idea in your above cited articles?
OK, I think I see where you are coming from. Skeptics like Vic Stenger should listen closely! :-) My current understanding of your logic is as follows:"That is mind does NOT reach into the devices and "force" bits to be different from what they would otherwise be."
must be characterized by, in Spottiswoode's words, "...since a biasing of the bit probability leads to Z-scores statistics which cummulate as the square root of the number of bits sampled."
I can vaguely see that there should be some kind of dependence (biasing) of the bit probability on the
intent of the observer in the PK scenario. I suppose you are getting the square root from a kind
of Gaussian statistical averaging over many statistically independent acts of intent giving a law of large numbers result. Is that the idea in this part of the argument. I mean why the "square root"?
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